Hankook or Falken?

[MovingShadow]

In order for not to rub anymore I'm getting lower profile tires.

195/40/17 (but I doubt this will be small enough)
Hankook 134€
Falken 129€

215/35/17
Hankook 160€
Falken 145€

(prices are all included with tax & installing etc)

Falken or Hankook?

 

[singlespeed]

chances are a part worn 195/40/17 will be smaller than a new 215/35/17. Plus the strech of 195 on a 7" wheel will make the shoulder less likely to rub.

I wouldn't expect your rubbing issue to be curred by this... It could actualy be worse

 

[MovingShadow]

The Superturismo is 7,5 wide though.

He showed me a 215/35/17 and it's alot less meaty than the 205/40/17

 

[singlespeed]

The Superturismo is 7,5 wide though.

He showed me a 215/35/17 and it's alot less meaty than the 205/40/17

I thought you were comparing 195/40 against 215/35 which will have a very similar height sidewall :?

205/40/17 will have a taller sidewall than both the above. Depends on how much strech you want and what effect the shape of the shoulder being stretched or not would have on your clearance. If you do get some clearance, you will probably want to lower it anyway :roll:


Slammed. Style over function

 

[Araf]

165/50 17 will give you a euro look.

Where are they rubbing? On the top, or the sidewall? When do they rub? Over bumps, or when cornering? Where on the car are they rubbing? Top of the wheelarch, sides of the wheelarch, inner wheelarch, or elsewhere?

 

[MovingShadow]

They rub in he wheelarches in the front side (sidewall).. and only on the right side when making a turn where the steering wheel is all the way to the left.

If I manouver the car to turn around in the street or go on a small roundabout it rubs.

When having potholes or bumps in the road the tire also touches that clip that sits on the inside of the wheelarch. The 2 clips in either wheelarches have loosened up.

Friend of mine suggested taking 195/35/17. It's slightly stretched.. but it doesn't need much.. it really comes to a difference of a couple of millimitres for it not to rub anymore.

 

[Araf]

Okay, if it's the sidewall, and you currently have the correct tyres on the car, then it's an offset problem, and cannot easily be fixed by a tyre change. Unless the rubbing is on the corner (where the tread meets the sidewall) then a change of sidewall height is not going to help.

Remember, the tyre bead will always be where it is, so the wall will be at an angle instead of upright, and the amount of width that you will lose half way up the tyre will only be half of the width lost at the top.

Frankly, you may want to consider cutting your losses with the wheels, sell them, and use the money to fund some with a better offset. If you can't bear to lose them, then investigate having the mating faces cut back, to correct the offset. If you can take 5mm from here, you won't need to change the tyres.

 

[1975DCS]

They rub in he wheelarches in the front side (sidewall).. and only on the right side when making a turn where the steering wheel is all the way to the left.

If I manouver the car to turn around in the street or go on a small roundabout it rubs.

When having potholes or bumps in the road the tire also touches that clip that sits on the inside of the wheelarch. The 2 clips in either wheelarches have loosened up.

Friend of mine suggested taking 195/35/17. It's slightly stretched.. but it doesn't need much.. it really comes to a difference of a couple of millimitres for it not to rub anymore.

I think slightly stretched is underrated! The 195/40 on a 7 inch rim is already stretched... What is the offset of your wheels?

 

[MovingShadow]

Okay, if it's the sidewall, and you currently have the correct tyres on the car, then it's an offset problem, and cannot easily be fixed by a tyre change. Unless the rubbing is on the corner (where the tread meets the sidewall) then a change of sidewall height is not going to help.

Remember, the tyre bead will always be where it is, so the wall will be at an angle instead of upright, and the amount of width that you will lose half way up the tyre will only be half of the width lost at the top.

Frankly, you may want to consider cutting your losses with the wheels, sell them, and use the money to fund some with a better offset. If you can't bear to lose them, then investigate having the mating faces cut back, to correct the offset. If you can take 5mm from here, you won't need to change the tyres.

Wait, might be some issue in the translation here..

I mean this (indicated in red) Reason why I think it only rubs there because on the inside of the wheelarch, it's not even.. the plastic sticks a little out where it rubs. This is not the case on the left side because there's like this grill on the inside there that doesn't take up as much space as on the right

ET value is 35 or 37.. not sure (bought these second hand)

 

[MovingShadow]

So yea, It's ET 35 and 7 wide. Just verified with W&D on the phone.

He's willing to help me out and put a 195/40/17 tire on to try out and see if it still rubs..

If not, then like araf says, I'll be looking at a 16".

 

[Araf]

That makes more sense. It's still the offset that is throwing you out.

The originals are 7 x 17 et50, which gives you 39mm from the hub to the outer rim.

The 7.5 x 17, assuming the best case scenario of et37 will give you 58mm from the hub to the outer rim, so the outside of the wheel is describing a bigger arc, which is why the tyre is rubbing. What you have done is no different from putting 20mm spacers on, and you wouldn't expect to get away with that.

Can you not clear the obstruction in the arch? To correct with tyres would mean going down a profile, which will give you a smaller rolling radius, make the ride harder, and make the speedo read too fast.

Your current sidewall height is 82mm. Swapping to a 205/35 (which doesn't exist as a size) would give you a sidewall of 72mm. The 215/35 will give you a sidewall height of 75mm - though the extra tread width will add to the problem,negating some of your gain.
The 195/40 will give you a 78mm sidewall, but as it has a narrower tread width, this will also help on lock.

Now. Different manufacturers tyres are not always the same as the theoretical width. A 205 could be anything from 200-213mm in width. I'm going to make some calculations, to see what the distance is from the hub centre to the obstruction.

 

[Araf]

Okay, before I start, we are looking at 7x17, et35?

 

[MovingShadow]

Okay, before I start, we are looking at 7x17, et35?

Yes.

 

[MovingShadow]

Okay, before I start, we are looking at 7x17, et35?

Yes.

About the ET, W&D said not to go below 35. Because taking a 16" with ET 30 is not going to change anything either (like eg Rota Torque's)

 

[Araf]

I agree that swapping to a 16" wheel with a smaller offset is a bad idea, and will probably give you problems elsewhere, as well.

You wouldn't believe how minimal the clearance usually is in that area.

Standard wheel (7x17 et55) gives you a distance from the centre of the wheel to the corner of the tread of 301.66mm

Your current setup (7x17 et35) gives you a distance of 305.45mm both with 205/40-17 tyres.

Swapping to a 215/35 on your et35 wheels will change that diagonal distance to 300.04mm

Swapping to a 195/40 on your et35 wheels will change the diagonal to 300.47mm

So both will do the job, but I would go with the 195/40, as this will give you a taller sidewall, keeping the speedo more accurate, and giving a better ride.

FYI, the 165/50 that I mentioned for a joke comes out at 302.15mm

 

[MovingShadow]

I agree that swapping to a 16" wheel with a smaller offset is a bad idea, and will probably give you problems elsewhere, as well.

You wouldn't believe how minimal the clearance usually is in that area.

Standard wheel (7x17 et55) gives you a distance from the centre of the wheel to the corner of the tread of 301.66mm

Your current setup (7x17 et35) gives you a distance of 305.45mm both with 205/40-17 tyres.

Swapping to a 215/35 on your et35 wheels will change that diagonal distance to 300.04mm

Swapping to a 195/40 on your et35 wheels will change the diagonal to 300.47mm

So both will do the job, but I would go with the 195/40, as this will give you a taller sidewall, keeping the speedo more accurate, and giving a better ride.

FYI, the 165/50 that I mentioned for a joke comes out at 302.15mm

When I get my car back from it's maintenance, I'll tryout the 195/40/17