Apex or H&R

[singlespeed]

I wonder how thick the bar is on the 172. If the 133 already has stiffer roll resistance by using a larger diameter bar in essentialy the same axle, maybe the Whiteline ARB isnt really needed :? I know Orb said it was lively in the wet with the Whiteline fitted, even on its softest setting.

Back on topic, I suspect the biggest physical difference between the Apex and H&R springs will be the colour. They have similar drop and both share the same coil shape which will leave coils sat on coils when loaded. having lost 25mm of usable travel, the springs need to be stiffer, hence a harsher ride over the original springs

 

[Martin_172]

Arn't h&r progressive wound like eibach? Ive never used them but was always under the impression they were

 

[singlespeed]

Which look to be identical (except for the colour) to the ones originally brought out by Apex. That leaves the front end with the top three coils and the rear center two coils already touching when the car is sat on the ground.

 

[jamesw]

I was in a similar dilemma when choosing mine. I had heard good things about both brands and had a set of spaxx springs on my old and dini 100. In the end I went for H&R, for me they work really well. It can be slightly on the harsh side at times but I do close to 40/50 miles a day with no comfort issues and the have improved the handling no end

 

[Callum-stirling]

Mine is the full fat with cup and I have and apex ones, the ride is compromised somewhat but what I lost in comfort it made up for in handling, It was well worth the upgrade. No body roll and the car sticks to the road.

I think the apex ones are about 115 new, I got mine from Karl at a cheeky price though.

Still well worth the upgrade if you can put up with the ride

 

[funky_d]

I have Spax on mine they are awesome! Absolutely transforms the handling, the 133 is already awesome in the corners but the springs really do make it that little bit better. Only £130 delivered from Larkspeed too

 

[mazmaz]

BC Racing coilovers were worth every penny! A 'proper cup' rolling on coilovers is awesome fun in the twisties. Even short trips to the shops with your sensible shoes on is fun and different and very comfortable

The only difference then when I get coilovers is the rear roll bar is 24mm I think on the cup and 22mm on the non cup, but I'm hoping as the coilovers has stiffer shocks it should handle better than a standard 'cup' model.

The difference between a cup and non cup both on coilovers and the same tyres and wheels in all should be minimal... Atleast I hope :lol:

normaly roll bar are the same on cup and non cup

cup are 10mm lower , 10% stiffer on shock and springs , and 17" wheels

that all

so if you change spring and shocks no more difference

édit : seem's I m wrong
but I m really surprise

look for info in french website

 

[BRUNE]

I have a CUP and the H&R springs and believe me ......it's perfect ! It's hard but Performance is awesome.

I have also a cup with H&R, I agree with you, it's great.

 

[wrighty94]

Does it look better aswell want the so between arch and wheel abit smaller and did you have any rubbing issues anyone?!

 

[Twingogangster83]

I have Enkei Yamato 7x17" ET 40 mounted ....so 15 mm wider than CUP-Rims and there is no rubbing or any other Issues with that.

 

[wrighty94]

So should be all good to just wack in the lowering springs might get some when I get paid

 

[wrighty94]

Don't think lowering springs will make a difference to looks though cos 25mm ain't a lot really

 

[maggi200]

The h&r springs definitely looked lower than standard

 

[wrighty94]

The h&r springs definitely looked lower than standard

I don't think 25mm would look a great differece though

 

[Twingogangster83]

This Pictures will show u the difference and the Pics were made at the Renault-Garage with no Km's done after fitting them and they always get some mm's down after drivin a while.

Left is CUP-Standard .....Right is CUP/H&R

 

[wrighty94]

Yeah there is a difference there i just thought would of been more but looks fresh

 

[maggi200]

I think they sit pretty good (before someone tells you, the search is usually in the top right of the page)

Any zoomed out pics showing final stance of whole car?

here you go want more check this gallery/twingo-gordini-wind-t6685.html

So time to update this again a bit so i have lowered my car with sport springs from H&R the twingo looks much nicer with just a drop -25mm front and rear and also less roll going through corners

Before and after pics rear to front

 

[BRUNE]

What is the difference between Apex and H&R. Is the apex are less hard, because H&R are very hard.

 

[user 980]

What do you expect from lowering springs?

 

[singlespeed]

What is the difference between Apex and H&R. Is the apex are less hard, because H&R are very hard.

I imagine they are very much allike. The free length of the springs are virtually the same, they have the same coil shape and the installed drop is the same.