New Civic Unveiled..

[Courtney]

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Not really a fan..

 

[Mr_Ben]

Hoping for a Type R version......

 

[Dutchie]

I'm not a fan..

A type R with Mugen accesoires would make it more interesting I guess..

 

[madmatt]

Hoping for a Type R version......

Seeing as the Type Rs got cut to be Euro 6 Compliant, I can't see a Type R being made personally...let alone one that has everything someone looking for a "Red Badge" would want.

Though, I DO agree with you completely

 

[Mr_Ben]

Why not? With the current shape running a 1.6 turbo'd block in the BTCC and that block being used in other series I think the R is having a "sabbatical"

Skoda has their mental Fabia
Audi has their S3
Ford has the Focus / Fiesta
Renault obviously the Megane / Clio
Seat their Leon / Cupra
Citroen the D3 racing

All the above compete with the R (or would do), and all comply......

Yes Honda don't ATM the moment does have turbo'd, and the last time was back in the 80's with the City turbo but I think they can't ignore it for long....

However Honda now is on the slippery slope and does produce anymore ANY sporty models forget rear wheel drive ones....

 

[maggi200]

Honda announced they're working on an nsx replacement that puts light weight before high power. THey also said that they chased ferrari with the nsx and 290bhp in the nsx (which leads me to think that the new supersports car won't have 290bhp...)

Of course honda are going to make a type r. You would be foolish to think otherwise

 

[Mr_Ben]

They've been saying that for years, it's been called the HSC.

 

[maggi200]

Which was canned, the v10 that ran the gt series in japan was brutal though. They announced this week they've begun on a new version that doesn't chase bhp but power to weight instead.

 

[Penn]

Type R will be a turbo'd unit as will every commercial car being released from 2012 onwards due to euro regulations.

 

[gsidave]

The type r engine got cur from the range because it couldn't meet euro 5 regs were not on euro 6 yet.
All car manufactures are steering towards small cc forced induction to meet euro regs etc.
And we all know that Honda de test forced induction on petrol engines lol. That would mean giving there engine something called torque.

 

[Steve-o]

Torque?! In a Honda

 

[Mr_Ben]

Heresy, a VTEC with torque.........

 

[maggi200]

'who needs torque when you have revs'

Shame Honda can't stick with that philosophy anymore. These rules make no sense, how can a dirty great v12 meet euro5 regs when the 2.0 vtec couldn't and even the mildly tuned 1.8 Toyota lump lotus used clouldnt? When both polluted much, much less under any conditions

 

[Ollie133cup]

These euro emmisions really piss me off. Is there any need as the worlds ****** anyway.

 

[maggi200]

Global warming. A naturally occuring event. There have been ice ages in the past. There will be ice ages in the future.

 

[Penn]

These rules make no sense, how can a dirty great v12 meet euro5 regs when the 2.0 vtec couldn't and even the mildly tuned 1.8 Toyota lump lotus used clouldnt? When both polluted much, much less under any conditions

They make perfect sense and it's all about development. It's also not just the CO levels that get measured. When euro 6 comes in, the majority of big N/A engines will become defunkt. BMW have already dropped the V10's from the next versions of the M cars for example.

Honda simply couldn't justify re-engineering their type R engine when a new civic with brand new engines to meet euro 6 regulations was literally around the corner.

Renault changed their 2.0 litre lump in the Clio to be Euro 5 compliant, the next RS Clio will use a smaller capacity turbo engine to comply with euro 6 as they can't justify the development costs to make the N/A lump euro 6 compliant.

 

[gsidave]

'who needs torque when you have revs'

Shame Honda can't stick with that philosophy anymore. These rules make no sense, how can a dirty great v12 meet euro5 regs when the 2.0 vtec couldn't and even the mildly tuned 1.8 Toyota lump lotus used clouldnt? When both polluted much, much less under any conditions

Civc type r are great when your in the mood and want to drive like you stole it.
But what happens when you just want to go to work and drive normally that's when useable torque comes in.

I'm sure smaller company's who make limited number of cars and sporty numbers, there customers don't mind paying 400 plus a year road tax.

 

[maggi200]

What they make no sense at all. If they rules are to make cars cleaner and socially more acceptable (enough of this environmental rubbish which is not valid really) how can an engine producing 250 odd co2/km and in the region of 30-40 mpg not meet those regulations when a v12 producing near 500gco2/km and less than 10 mpg still be acceptable?

The rules should be transparent and easy to understand for the public for them to gain support. But they're not. I guarantee not a single person here understands them, or even has any clue what they say or are. Just that some of their favourite cars/engines won't meet the rules without actually knowing why.

 

[Penn]

What they make no sense at all. If they rules are to make cars cleaner and socially more acceptable (enough of this environmental rubbish which is not valid really) how can an engine producing 250 odd co2/km and in the region of 30-40 mpg not meet those regulations when a v12 producing near 500gco2/km and less than 10 mpg still be acceptable?

The rules should be transparent and easy to understand for the public for them to gain support. But they're not. I guarantee not a single person here understands them, or even has any clue what they say or are. Just that some of their favourite cars/engines won't meet the rules without actually knowing why.

You don't seem to understand the difference between mainstream consumer markets and exclusive supercar markets. They are utterly utterly different in both production cycles and life cycles of models. The rules are clearly stated on a number of websites should you wish to understand them.

Also, as I said before, meeting co2 emissions are only a single factor in whether engines meet the euro legislation requirements, there are a number of factors that are taken into account.

MPG means nothing too, you need to get that bit out of your head. It's not how efficient the engine is, it's how much is pollutes the environment.

 

[maggi200]

Doesn't make a difference. If they were to change their rules to read that it were to make cars socially more acceptable, fair enough. but it focuses on the environmental aspect, and there is no case for a v12 if a straight 4 can't remain in that respect. And I understand there are more than them 2 considerations thank you very much.