Twingo RS or Clio RS

[JamesGT]

Hmmm.... ill just grab some popcorn and take a seat.

 

[DrDrew]

Feel the need to say back on track with the thread please guys

 

[Twingojoe]

Lol im not generalising i just a fact and a good woman driver means she is extra special so no need to get defensive.

Yeah back on track...as its a twingo forum id aay go for twingo!

 

[manofhow]

Hmmm.... ill just grab some popcorn and take a seat.

will bring mine and sit next to for the show


both are good cars, so think unfortunatley its the case like most things, it comes down to money and how much u have got to spend/ willing to spend

 

[TripleJay]

exactly, if i had the cash for the extra running costs (since buying any bigger car is the relatively easiest part), i would go for a Clio in a heartbeat But if possible i would keep Twingo as well, stripped it out, and used it on weekends :mrgreen:

 

[manofhow]

But if possible i would keep Twingo as well, stripped it out, and used it on weekends :mrgreen:

my thoughts exaclty, i hope i get to the situation when i want new car i dont need to trade it, and keep and strip the twigno as a fun car, cant imagine not having it for some cornering fun

 

[JMR]

My mrs has a 182 Cup - its a great car, bog standard, not much in the way of noise to be fair.
I have an RS133, BMC panel in and the bung out - sounds miles better than the standard Clio. May be a different story if I put the bung back in.

Handling, the Cup chassis most people will tell you is ROCK HARD, but IT IS NOT THAT BAD.
I find its reasonably compliant and the mrs is more than happy with the suspension and damping for everyday round town and up and down the motorway driving.

The Twingo (standard chassis) tends to go round corners with less fuss, the shorter wheelbase helping a bit with this by the perception of nimbleness.

I dont know about the RS200 economy but I get around 44-45mpg on my weekly driving in the Twingo and you may be surpised to learn that only last week I got 40mpg in the 182. (borrowed it while she was off)
Driven carefully and on long runs (m-way) they are surprisingly economical.
A remap will add another 2 or 3 mpg from experience with the RS's.

Factor in roadtax/insurance/servicing/economy, the Twingo is a good all round package hence why I've just changed to one from a Civic Type R for the past 4 years.

 

[weebob]

200's are a little better than 197's on the mpg front apparently... So not a direct point of reference. Used to get 27-30 out of my rs133. The clio is currently getting 23. A sensible run on a motorway i have pushed this to 33ish, no more

 

[Alex_225]

I meant it in a slightly sexist but unoffensive way lol

a clio is too much power for a girl to handle

Holy sh!t we've just landed in the 1950s!!!! Women know your limits!!

Tell that this woman :

As for which to go for, if you can afford the Clio 200 then go for the Clio. Apart from being a great drive part of the appeal of the 133 is it's running costs. The Clio will be a step up in costs but also a step up in everything, performance, build quality etc.

If you can afford the Clio, go for the Clio!

 

[mbk]

I owned a 197, and am going to a twingo. The running costs were becoming silly. Fuel was the biggy. And the fact everything started to need replacing - the car had roughly 65000 on the clock.

As you'd be buying new though you wouldn't need to worry. Was the best car I've owned up to this point - if you can afford it then do it.

 

[singlespeed]

I've just got this :?

When cold, it makes the hesitancy of the Twingo look completely trivial. However, warm it up and theres a reasonable amount of power, even keeping the revs down to 5000 - 5500 due to having only 150miles on the clock. With it fully run in, and the revcounter wound round to over 7K, this could be a bit of a laugh. The 200 gearbox feels rather good and slots into the gears nicely and 6th gear makes for a reasonably quiet cruise compared to the Twingo (well, mine anyway :lol: ). Despite taking it easy most of the time on the way back home, which was a split of 25 miles on slow moving A road and 25 miles of backroads at a pace similar or slightly slower to how I would normaly go, it still managed 30mpg where the Twingo would probably be 36ish

The biggest surprise is the brakes. Considering its got huge discs and 4-pot Brembos clamping the fronts, the feel is rather poor with a relatively long peddle travel compared to the Twingo. I'm not doubting the brakes could take a hammering but they feel remenicent of my old Audi which has a similar spec and were never quite as precise as the Twingo. Stamp on the Twingo 133 peddle and you risk going through the windscreen... As yet, I don't think these are quite the same

It's certainly a bigger car than the Twingo and feels more solid and planted through the bends, but it also feels more numb and disconnected, where the Twingo is like a kart that can be chucked about a bit. With more time and miles to get used to it, it could improve and comparing it back to back from the Twingo on trackday style AD08 rubber isn't realy a fair comparison.

The driving position is nice, sitting noticably lower than the Twingo. Although I don't mind the seating position of the Twingo and can get quite comfy. The interior is rather nice too and lacking the amount of tyre noise which is a prominent feature of the 133. The bad bit is, it's lacking the decent stereo with bluetooth.


I'm actualy looking forward to getting the Dini back tomorrow with new wishbones fitted

:mrgreen: Many thanks to Mike at Ness Renault Inverness for the upgrade from the 1.2 Clio courtest car. I've given it a slight wash already, to get the seagull splats off Maybe I should have taken the RS265 instead :?

 

[jra3d]

Neil!! I had a heart attack there, although that is the best colour for one IMO, and a god little write up

 

[Penn]

The biggest surprise is the brakes. Considering its got huge discs and 4-pot Brembos clamping the fronts, the feel is rather poor with a relatively long peddle travel compared to the Twingo. I'm not doubting the brakes could take a hammering but they feel remenicent of my old Audi which has a similar spec and were never quite as precise as the Twingo. Stamp on the Twingo 133 peddle and you risk going through the windscreen... As yet, I don't think these are quite the same

It's certainly a bigger car than the Twingo and feels more solid and planted through the bends, but it also feels more numb and disconnected, where the Twingo is like a kart that can be chucked about a bit. With more time and miles to get used to it, it could improve and comparing it back to back from the Twingo on trackday style AD08 rubber isn't realy a fair comparison.

I'd get your Clio looked at, that's not normal. Clio feels so much more connected to the road in every possible way and the performance is in a different world (as you would expect).

Oh, I've just noticed you don't have the cup chassis - that explains the 2nd paragraph! Get your brakes checked though.

P.S. My comparison below between a Twingo 133 w/cup chassis and a Clio 200 w/cup chassis

Much more expensive to run, tax, tyres, fuel and insurance. Tax and fuel are the main ones.

Cruising at 68mph on the cruise control netted me at most 34mpg, bring that up to 70/72 and I sat at 30mpg. The thing is, you'll never drive it like that

If (when) you drive it hard, or do town driving you're looking at around 22-26mpg at best. I regularly got approx 330 miles out of a full tank and thats with the majority of miles being on the motorway.

Clio is by far and away a better car than the Twingo in every way, especially if you go for a highly specced Clio like I did. If you're just after the driving experience however and keep costs down, choose the normal 200 and add the cup chassis as the only option. You'll get a much nicer interior and a lot more creature comforts than the cup.

One thing to note, the Clio is too fast for public roads. You'll hit triple figures redlining 3rd and shifting into 4th so it's no where near as usable as the Twingo. The Twingo is much more fun as you can use so much more of its capabilities on the roads. If you plan to track regularly however, go for the Clio.

My advise to you, go and take a proper test drive in a Clio 200, somewhere that will let you stretch its legs and see what you think. Just remember that it definitely will cost you quite a bit more than the Twingo to run (and so it should).

 

[Penn]

Oh and, Clio 200 orders will finish around July time as production stops in September. You'll need to order quickly or buy 2nd hand!

 

[singlespeed]

The biggest surprise is the brakes. Considering its got huge discs and 4-pot Brembos clamping the fronts, the feel is rather poor with a relatively long peddle travel compared to the Twingo. I'm not doubting the brakes could take a hammering but they feel remenicent of my old Audi which has a similar spec and were never quite as precise as the Twingo. Stamp on the Twingo 133 peddle and you risk going through the windscreen... As yet, I don't think these are quite the same

It's certainly a bigger car than the Twingo and feels more solid and planted through the bends, but it also feels more numb and disconnected, where the Twingo is like a kart that can be chucked about a bit. With more time and miles to get used to it, it could improve and comparing it back to back from the Twingo on trackday style AD08 rubber isn't realy a fair comparison.

I'd get your Clio looked at, that's not normal. Clio feels so much more connected to the road in every possible way and the performance is in a different world (as you would expect).

Oh, I've just noticed you don't have the cup chassis - that explains the 2nd paragraph! Get your brakes checked though.

The brakes certainly work and the peddle pumps up solid with the engine switched off so theres no air in the system. They are just more assisted than the 133. You could easily get used to it and probably wouldn't notice if going from most cars to the RS200. The brakes on the RS133 are rather impresive in their feel and power for the weight of the car

P.S. My comparison below between a Twingo 133 w/cup chassis and a Clio 200 w/cup chassis

Much more expensive to run, tax, tyres, fuel and insurance. Tax and fuel are the main ones.

Cruising at 68mph on the cruise control netted me at most 34mpg, bring that up to 70/72 and I sat at 30mpg. The thing is, you'll never drive it like that

If (when) you drive it hard, or do town driving you're looking at around 22-26mpg at best. I regularly got approx 330 miles out of a full tank and thats with the majority of miles being on the motorway.

Clio is by far and away a better car than the Twingo in every way, especially if you go for a highly specced Clio like I did. If you're just after the driving experience however and keep costs down, choose the normal 200 and add the cup chassis as the only option. You'll get a much nicer interior and a lot more creature comforts than the cup.

One thing to note, the Clio is too fast for public roads. You'll hit triple figures redlining 3rd and shifting into 4th so it's no where near as usable as the Twingo. The Twingo is much more fun as you can use so much more of its capabilities on the roads. If you plan to track regularly however, go for the Clio.

My advise to you, go and take a proper test drive in a Clio 200, somewhere that will let you stretch its legs and see what you think. Just remember that it definitely will cost you quite a bit more than the Twingo to run (and so it should).

Yep, I would probably agree that the RS200, like most top end hot hatches is too fast for public roads. Even short shifting at 5k, and slightly playing the gears through the bends, you easily build some licence loosing speed and kill any thoughts of getting anywhere near 30mpg.

My test drive should be around 120 miles unless I go out for a play in the morning although, I think I would prefer to put the petrol in the Dini and take the long way home tomorrow afternoon

 

[singlespeed]

One thing I don't like in the Clio is the position of the interior door handle. Theres nothing to hold onto which has any leverage. Get a gust of wind behind the door when your opening it and, it would get pulled from your hand and bent backwards.

I'd also prefer to have a spare tyre, which the 200 doesn't come with or,by the looks of it, have room to store one unless you lash it in the boot.

 

[Twingojoe]

I meant it in a slightly sexist but unoffensive way lol

a clio is too much power for a girl to handle

Holy sh!t we've just landed in the 1950s!!!! Women know your limits!!

Tell that this woman :

As for which to go for, if you can afford the Clio 200 then go for the Clio. Apart from being a great drive part of the appeal of the 133 is it's running costs. The Clio will be a step up in costs but also a step up in everything, performance, build quality etc.

If you can afford the Clio, go for the Clio!

lol name a woman formula one world champ....

 

[DrDrew]

One thing I don't like in the Clio is the position of the interior door handle. Theres nothing to hold onto which has any leverage. Get a gust of wind behind the door when your opening it and, it would get pulled from your hand and bent backwards.

I'd also prefer to have a spare tyre, which the 200 doesn't come with or,by the looks of it, have room to store one unless you lash it in the boot.

Seem to remember in my old Clio that the spare wheel was mounted underneath the boot, with a lever under the boot floor to let it down. There not any room for it there?

 

[singlespeed]

One thing I don't like in the Clio is the position of the interior door handle. Theres nothing to hold onto which has any leverage. Get a gust of wind behind the door when your opening it and, it would get pulled from your hand and bent backwards.

I'd also prefer to have a spare tyre, which the 200 doesn't come with or,by the looks of it, have room to store one unless you lash it in the boot.

Seem to remember in my old Clio that the spare wheel was mounted underneath the boot, with a lever under the boot floor to let it down. There not any room for it there?

Theres a small tool kit recess in the otherwise flat boot floor. The difuser is attached underneath so it wouldnt be practical on the RS200 Clio

 

[DrDrew]

Ah, good point. Forgot about the diffuser.