Twingo RS or Clio RS

[Alex_225]

lol name a woman formula one world champ....

Lets face it though, F1 isn't exactly a good demographic of driving talent. I mean unless you're loaded already or have a racing family history, getting into F1 is bloody hard going. Not impossible but far less likely.

Never underestimate women! lol My Mrs is a better driver, certainly on the road than a lot of men I know and handles the 172 perfectly well.

 

[jra3d]

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[Araf]

The biggest surprise is the brakes. Considering its got huge discs and 4-pot Brembos clamping the fronts, the feel is rather poor with a relatively long peddle travel compared to the Twingo. I'm not doubting the brakes could take a hammering but they feel remenicent of my old Audi which has a similar spec and were never quite as precise as the Twingo. Stamp on the Twingo 133 peddle and you risk going through the windscreen... As yet, I don't think these are quite the same

Could it be that there's less servo assistance? If so it will give better feel, but will need more effort to get them working.

...it also feels more numb and disconnected, where the Twingo is like a kart that can be chucked about a bit. With more time and miles to get used to it, it could improve and comparing it back to back from the Twingo on trackday style AD08 rubber isn't realy a fair comparison.

IMHO, that's what you get from a more modern chassis. I'm sure that some can be dialed out with a geometry change, but cars are becoming less and less involving, as time goes on.

 

[weebob]

The steering i would say is the only slight disappointment on the 197. It does as Neil has said feels a little numb, you do get used to it to a point.

The brakes on my 197 are a damn site better than on my twingo. A lot sharper and feel more progressive. Christ it stops well. That's saying a lot as the twingos were excellent..... However my 197's were also a damn site better than the R27 i also looked at. I suppose there could be some mods i don't know about but the disks and pads look new and standard.

 

[MovingShadow]

Dunno if this is something the Twingo & Clio have but for the few times I've braked hard (including the Nurburgring) the back of the car tends to break out and make the car go sideways.

On the ring there's a few times where my car went from oversteering to understeering and vice versa.

Could be due to the fact that biggest weight of the car is in the front.

But think the brakes are the same as the Twingo RS.. feel soft but once you push hard they brake hard, maybe too hard.

 

[maggi200]

The rear does go very light under hard braking

 

[weebob]

Yup I had to deal with snap oversteer when heavy breaking a couple of times when pressing on in the twingo, Havent pussed the Clio far enough yet to see if it has the same trate

 

[Penn]

IMHO, that's what you get from a more modern chassis. I'm sure that some can be dialed out with a geometry change, but cars are becoming less and less involving, as time goes on.

Which is why Renault have the cup chassis On the Clio 200 that also gives you a quicker steering rack.

 

[TripleJay]

i drove Clio 200 recently and must say that its much more stable under the brakes on the bad surface than Twingo. Iits understandable of course, but good point...